FINANCE COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL
CITY
HALL,
BUDGET
WORK SESSION
6:30
P.M.
1. CALL TO ORDER. Mrs. Sanders opened the Budget Work Session
at 6:42 P.M., with roll call as follows:
Mrs. Hammond, Mr. Barletta, Mr. Fix, Mr. Sauer, and Mrs. Sanders were
present. Mr. Wisniewski arrived at 6:44
P.M. Mr. Blair was absent due to a work
commitment. Others present were: Mayor O’Brien, Bill Vance, Lynda Yartin,
2. SCHEDULED MATTERS: Mr. Schornack stated if there were no objections by the Committee he would like to cover the departments out of the order listed on the agenda. Mrs. Sanders stated they had no problem with that. Mr. Vance stated at the budget work session last week the City’s biggest General Fund budget was addressed, the Police Department budget. He stated there might potentially be some additional issues to be addressed and there is the flexibility throughout this process to go back and look at any budget we need to along the way. He stated at this point the budget is still a work in progress and staff does not understand anything to be a done deal. Mayor O’Brien stated he would suggest that next year the police be scheduled on a night when there is no other meeting scheduled following the work session since it is so detailed and they be the only topic for that work session.
A. Review of proposed 2011 Budget for:
(1) Income Tax. Mr. Schornack stated this budget pretty much
reflects the same as the prior year except a half-time clerk has been added to
assist in the collection of income taxes.
He stated we have a delinquent amount that we are aware of, and we also
know there is an amount we are not aware of and Ms Eichner’s goal next year is
to go after both of those to obtain additional revenues for the City. He stated this position would pay for itself
as it would allow the more skilled collectors to go after those delinquent
taxes. He stated this part-time person
would be able to open mail, deposit checks, posting, etc. Ms Eichner stated further collections on
delinquents react directly to how much time they have to beat the bushes and if
you are in people’s face with a letter, even though they get a statement every
month, it seems to bring about a little more result. She stated that effort depends on how much
time the tax employees can be relieved of the daily grind of every day duties. She stated if she had a part-time person that
just came in and did the mail that would relieve her employees of a half-day’s
work that they can spend on delinquents.
Mayor O’Brien stated he and Mr. Vance had met with Chris, Jan, and Molly
and talked about the processes we use and how we can be better at it. He stated they had also met with the
magistrate and prosecutor and those two individuals feel that court is a viable
option, but the revenue will come in from the prosecutor letters because that usually
gets their attention. Ms Eichner stated
she does try to work with people on payment plans when we can’t do anything
else with them and they are forthcoming every month. Mr. Sauer clarified that we estimate
approximately $350,000 is delinquent that we are aware of. Mr. Sauer further clarified that the
electronic system we implemented is reducing some of the paperwork, and we are
now working toward being able to accept a debit payment. Ms Eichner stated she estimated there were
approximately 600 e-filers this year and that was very good for a first
year. Mrs. Sanders stated it appeared we
budgeted for $2,500 for overtime for the tax clerks last year and this next
year it is $4,500. Mr. Schornack stated
that could be brought down to $2,500.
Mr. Sauer stated if more was needed they could always come back to
(2) Mr. Schornack stated he would address the Engineering Department at this time. Mr. Bachman stated when you look at the expenses and the revenues his department brings in, his budget this year coming out of the General Fund is less than half what it was last year. He stated it is not that he is saving that much money, but he has worked with Mr. Vance and Mr. Schornack and the percentage of his salary and Ms VanCleave’s salary coming out of the General Fund could actually be less. Mr. Bachman stated we will be doing less roadway projects next year and more utility projects. Mr. Bachman stated, for example, this year 50 percent of his salary came out of the General Fund and 50 percent of Ms VanCleave’s salary came out of the General Fund. Mr. Bachman stated for next year he is projecting that only 25 percent of his salary would come out of the General Fund and none of Ms VanCleave’s salary will come out of the General Fund. Mr. Wisniewski stated that is a one year thing however and the 2012 budget would show a massive increase in the engineer’s budget if it would go back to the way it was. Mr. Bachman stated at least we have money in the utility funds and we don’t have it in the General Fund. Mr. Wisniewski asked if there was a way to show that because we are taking 100 percent out of another fund and that is not showing anywhere on this budget sheet. He stated it is like a shell game where we are moving it around, and isn’t there some way we can show on this particular budget that the funds are coming out of the Water Fund or whatever. Mr. Schornack stated we have payroll sheets that show the percentage coming out of each fund. Mr. Wisniewski stated he understood that, but he was saying if the papers reported that the engineering department budget was reduced by $175,000 or whatever, and we have an 85 percent reduction in expenses, and then next year if our financial situation has not changed if he is not working on utility projects that the engineering department is all of a sudden ballooned with a 95 percent increase. Mr. Schornack stated that is when he thought we needed to analyze the engineering department at that time to see if we really need that much coming out of the General Fund. Mr. Fix stated he understood Mr. Wisniewski was asking for the purpose of budgeting, if they could see all the expenses incurred by the engineering department regardless of what fund it is paid out of on one sheet, then they could see exactly what was happening. Mr. Fix stated he understood Mr. Bachman was moving the expenses where we have the money to pay for them, but the reality is that we are not really spending $100,000 less. We’re spending the same money, it is just coming out of different areas. Mr. Schornack stated he would come up with some ideas on how to show this, and he does create a sheet showing total salaries for the engineering department with deductions shown on the bottom where different percentages are allocated to different funds. Mr. Fix stated he felt the bottom line was they needed to see the total amount spent this year and the total amount projected for next year, and are we spending it wisely. Mr. Fix clarified that a lot of the revenue from the engineering department is generated by inspection fees, and it appeared that we were spending more for inspectors than we earned in fees. He stated he would like to know if it is possible to look at a different fee structure and Mayor O’Brien stated his question would be if our engineering fees are on the General Fee Schedule and he questioned if our fees were enough to cover the costs. Mr. Bachman stated we changed our inspection fee structure from an hourly rate to a percentage of construction costs, so as construction costs go up we will get more revenue.
(3) Human Resources Department. Mr. Schornack stated this budget includes a personnel director for next year as well as our receptionist at the front desk. Mr. Schornack stated the administrative clerk is no longer included in this budget as we will be opening up that position to a Deputy Municipal Clerk. Mr. Vance stated that position is being proposed for next year’s budget so we can enhance the duties from the Municipal Clerk’s department and will provide the flexibility so the Clerk can take vacation or if she is sick we would have a presence in that office. Mr. Vance stated we are making the transition then from a floater and investing those resources into a full time position as Deputy Municipal Clerk. Mr. Wisniewski inquired why this showed a 100 percent increase in the salary of the personnel director and Mr. Schornack stated that was an error and should be zero percent. Mayor O’Brien clarified the $9,000 for a part-time position was for the floaters that we use to cover the receptionist when she is gone or we need to have someone come in to cover another position. Mrs. Fersch stated we have had the floater position for quite some time. Mr. Wisniewski further clarified the $1,500 reflected in PERS pickup was an error and should be deleted. Mr. Wisniewski clarified the travel category was going from $100 to $1,000 because Mrs. Fersch wanted to have money in the budget for the new personnel director to be able to attend training. Mr. Wisniewski stated then the professional development category was going from $400 to $1,000, and Mrs. Fersch stated that was correct. Mr. Vance stated whatever we invest in this regard the individual will learn things that will keep us out of trouble and keep them up to speed. Mr. Wisniewski stated he would hope that we would hire someone who was up to speed already, and Mr. Vance stated he was referring to all of the changes that are occurring in the HR field. Mr. Wisniewski stated he understood that, but he felt that in the first year it was pretty quick for a person to be going out traveling. Mrs. Fersch stated she could reduce those categories to $500 each. Mr. Sauer clarified the two different professional development categories covered the personnel director and the receptionist. Mr. Fix stated he felt the $800 in professional development for the receptionist should be taken out and the other members concurred.
(4) Planning and Zoning Department. Mr. Vance stated as
Finance Committee recessed at 8:00 P.M. and reconvened in open session at 8:10 P.M.
(5) Development Department. Mr. Vance stated he would like to point out
that the Development Director’s salary increase is reflected in this
budget. He stated this position would be
responsible for the planning and zoning duties in addition to the economic
development duties of the city. Mr. Fix
stated he noticed that no funds were budgeted for advertising and he questioned
how we would attract business to the community if we did not advertise. Ms Crotty stated she felt the budget was
prepared based on the expectations of the economic situation of the city next
year and was very conservative. Mr.
Schornack stated there is an advertising budget in the PIO department as well. Mr. Fix stated he felt a 30 percent carryover
is not totally necessary and if there were ever a reason to spend funds out of
that carryover he felt that advertising for economic development for our
community would be a the time to do that.
Mr. Fix stated he would advocate that Ms Crotty come back with an advertising/marketing
plan for 2011 and let council know what would be a reasonable amount. Mr. Wisniewski stated he felt this should be
added to the wish list so it can be figured out at the end of the year since they
have not completed reviewing the entire budget.
Mr. Barletta stated he felt that would be the place it belonged and
funds could be allocated as appropriate.
Mr. Sauer stated in keeping with the spirit of a balanced budget they
needed to find areas to be cut before proposing extra expenditures. Mr. Fix stated his feeling was that with
times as they are now, we do not need to have a 30 percent carryover. Mr. Sauer stated next year we know our
revenues potentially will go down and our expenses are going up and that
carryover will shrink. Mr. Fix stated
that is not what we have now, and Mr. Sauer stated if we look only at 2011 and
pretend 2012 doesn’t exist without planning for the future, he felt was
irresponsible budgeting. Mr. Fix stated
he was only suggesting we take $25,000 out of a $2 million carryover. Mr. Sauer stated then there would be two or
three more things and before we know it, there would be a wish list of things
we need to find a way to pay for. Mrs.
Sanders stated she felt council should get a plan from Ms Crotty and see where
we stand when we complete the budget hearings.
Ms Crotty stated she does have some ideas of some things she can do next
year if the money is available and she would provide something to council. Mayor O’Brien stated part of the economic
developer’s job is to be at the right place at the right time and he questioned
if the $1,000 in the budget for professional development was enough to pay
entries into conferences, seminars, etc.
Ms Crotty stated there are some funds as well in travel/transportation and
that would provide some funds for a conference or whatever. She stated further in considering memberships
and contributions she can leverage some resources through the Fairfield 33
Alliance and other things she participates in.
Ms Crotty stated based on our target market she felt she would have more
success working in the central
(6) Building Regulations Department. Mr. Vance stated he was proposing eliminating
the building inspector position and reducing the salary of the building
official from $75,000 to $70,000. Mr.
Wisniewski clarified Mr. Vance stated he is proposing to contract the building
inspector duties and the fees collected through permits requiring these
services will also pay for those services.
Mr. Hopper stated he is doing
some of the inspections that take a short amount of time rather than have
someone on contract that is charging by the hour do those. Mr. Wisniewski stated he still did not
understand how we had gone from $85,000 to $40,000 to $35,000, to $30,000 since
2008 in picking up the duties of a full time person. Mr. Fix stated the Expense subcommittee had
gone through this and Mr. Sabatino had argued that we were paying inspectors to
not inspect because we had so few activities going on that it was a very
inefficient way to run this part of our business and he advocated that by
contracting that out, and he was right, that we would save money because we did
not have enough activity going on to have a full time person doing this
job. Mr. Schornack stated as Mr. Fix had
pointed out with the formula used in prior years we were paying inspectors when
we did not need them. Mr. Vance stated he
felt the $30,000 in the budget for the inspectors should be a pass through, and
Mr. Wisniewski stated he was trying to understand how we could have an expense
that was less than the prior year and get rid of the position. Mr. Hopper stated we are looking at a
different contractor now that does plans review for us and also provides
inspection services for us on an hourly rate rather than a per inspection
rate. He stated now the inspector may do
three inspections in an hour whereas before we were paying for three separate
inspections in that same hour. Mr.
Wisniewski summarized then, this decrease is based on reworking the contract
and Mr. Hopper absorbing some of the inspections. Mr. Vance stated the compensation of the
$70,000 is for a building official once we get the additional inspector
resource in place and he will administrate inspections that are to be conducted
by that additional contract building inspector in addition to assisting with
the code enforcement responsibilities.
Mr. Wisniewski stated he felt the $30,000 figure was very conservative,
however, if Mr. Vance and Mr. Hopper felt this is fine then he would agree with
them. Mr. Wisniewski stated with regard
to the Building Administrator’s salary, he has a problem reducing someone’s
salary who hasn’t even been here a year, and who has brought considerable
efficiency to the department, and that is not something he could support. Mr. Vance stated this was not related in any
way to performance or capabilities, but as a Manager he must look across the
spectrum of the salaries that we have and throughout the budgetary process make
recommendations based upon what he knows about how others are treated as
well. Mr. Vance stated this budget is
not by any means final and
(7) Legislative Department. Mr. Schornack stated the Deputy Municipal
Clerk has been added to this department.
Mr. Schornack further stated $4,000 has been included in the meeting
expense budget for
(8) Public Information Department. Mr. Schornack stated the funding for
Governing Dynamics was included in this budget.
Mrs. Hammond stated she did not feel the City got their money’s worth
with Governing Dynamics and if we were paying for generating public
information, there wasn’t any. Mr. Vance
stated if there was some flexibility to redirect some of these funds to enhance
the City’s relationship with the Chamber that is what he would propose. Mayor O’Brien stated before that happened he
would like to the see the Chamber come in with a presentation so we knew what
they were offering. Mr. Fix stated he
would like to know how we plan to provide information to the public about what
is happening in the City, who would be the public information officer. Mr. Vance stated we have the Pickerington
Magazine, we have the Mayor’s Newsletter, the Chamber’s newsletter, and we have
the web site. Mr. Fix stated his
question was who would maintain all of those things, and. Mr. Vance stated
normally the City Manger gets the calls requesting information and it goes from
there. Mr. Sauer stated he agreed with
Mrs. Hammond regarding Governing Dynamics because he frankly does not really
know what they did other than a survey in-house. He questioned where the funds were being used
to get information out in the community about the city. Mr. Fix stated perhaps we should have them
make a presentation to
(9) Legal Department. There were no questions on the legal department budget.
(10) Finance Department. Mr. Schornack stated there were very few
changes in this department. Mr. Fix
inquired what the cost would be if we wanted to do a performance audit in 2011,
and would it be appropriate to include that in this department. Mayor O’Brien clarified that the State
Auditor’s office has the ability to come in and do an audit of our processes to
see if we are performing in the most cost effective way possible. Mrs. Hammond stated since we are making
personnel changes and shifting personnel around perhaps we should hold off on
something like that for a year. Mr.
Schornack stated he did not have a figure for that, but it could be quite
costly. Mr. Schornack stated he could
get more information on this and send it out to
Finance Committee recessed at 9:10 P.M., and reconvened in open session at 9:20 P.M.
(11) Lands and Buildings. Mr. Schornack stated there were very few changes in this budget from last year. He stated we do have a scanner in the Tax Department that needs replaced. Mayor O’Brien stated with the $4,000 we have budgeted for the internet, and the $5,000 we have budgeted for the web site, would it be possible to contact Insight to see if they could give us an assessment of where we stand and what they can do for us. Mr. Schornack stated Mr. Vannatta would know more about that and he follow up on that with him. Mr. Fix stated he thought fiber optic had been run throughout the area and Mayor O’Brien stated he thought we could look at what we spend in all departments for those types of services and compare it to what someone could provide for us. Mr. Schornack stated Mr. Vannatta was also requesting to have the parking lot at City Hall repaved and a new vehicle for City Hall and these were included on the 2011 unfunded budget list.
Mr. Schornack stated with regard to General Fund debt our principal retired in 2010 is $1.4 million and in 2011 it is $1.1 million although he has included an additional $400,000 on the unfunded list that he would like to pay off. Mayor O’Brien stated that money could be obtained by a decision to reduce the carryover by roughly 20 percent. Mr. Schornack stated he would like to have a presentation by our bond counsel regarding turning our SIB loan into bonds over a 20 year period. He stated as it is set up now we have a balloon payment after ten years, and that would be 2013 or 2014 when we would have a $3.5 million balloon payment. He stated at that point in time we would have to roll those into some sort of note or bond that we can pay over a period of time. Mr. Schornack stated we could reduce our annual payment total by going to bonds with rates as low as they are at this time. Mr. Schornack stated he would arrange for Mr. Schwallie to give a presentation on these issues at a Finance Committee meeting in the near future.
Mr. Wisniewski clarified that the budget reflects a transfer to the police department of approximately $2.6 million out of the $3.7 million shown under Transfers. He further clarified the police levy currently brings in about $1.4 million and it is being collected at 3.6 or 3.7 mills out of the 5.5 mills.
Mr. Schornack clarified at the next work session they would review the General Government, Utilities, Streets, and Parks and Recreation budgets. He stated the next budget work session is scheduled for October 27, 2010, at 6:30 P.M.
3. ADJOURNMENT. There being nothing further, the work session closed at 9:50 P.M., October 13, 2010.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
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Lynda D. Yartin, Municipal Clerk